Finnish Pairs Final(R1-) Finnish Pairs Final(R1-) 1 vs 1 1 Fabritius alomaa Karhulahti Kanerva Lindstedt Viitasalo Pekkinen Laakso Board Contract By M D - - Contract By M D - - IMPs 1 0 0 - x 00 1 0-1 0 0-0 x 0-1 0-0 0-1 0 00 1-0 - 0 00 1-1 0 00-1 0 0-1 - - 1 1 0 1 0 - - 1 1 0 1 0 - - 1 1 0-1 0-1 0-1 0 1 0 - - IMPs 1 This segment Penalty 0 0 Carryover 0 0 total - 1 - References: BridgeBase online. dited by M.ugino
Finnish Pairs Final(R1-) Board 1 : 1-0 : o - 0 c 0 1 0 K J K Q AQ K AQ J AK J - A J Q : Fabritius : Viitasalo Oen : alomaa : Lindstedt 1 #1 ::,A,, # ::,A,, # ::,J,Q, # ::,,J, # ::,,A, # ::,Q,K, # ::,,, # :: K,,,J # ::,,,Q # :: A,,, kaao: e re back at Helsinki Bridge-Areena.. Q.. K.. T.... T.. Q.........0-..1..... k ylinen: well as was not my choice.. A kaao: ew leaders in the Finnish Pairs Chamionshi final, Karhulahti - Pekkinen.... kaao: Viitasalo - alomaa follow clesely.. kaao: Result site: htt://bridgefinland.fi/sm/ ari0/results.h?lang=.. A.... kaao: Another junior air laying against Viitasalo - alomaa.... J.. Q........ J........ A.. kaao: Good evening to Christer nglund.... Q.. K.. kaao: Or is it afternoon still? cenglund: Good evening kaao: How s A?.......... K cenglund: Hot, around +0...... J........ Q Board 1 : : 1-0 o - 0 c 0 1 0 K J K Q AQ K AQ J AK J - A J Q : Karhulahti : Laakso Closed : Kanerva : Pekkinen 1 1 1 1 X #1 ::,,K,A # ::,,K, # ::,,,T # ::,A,, # :: Q,K,, # ::,,J, # :: A,,,Q # :: J,,, miniemin: kˆ sitteleekˆ ruudun oikein, saa yhden hertan ois.. A.......1..1..1..1................. K.. A...... K.......... T vugrahztq: Tervetuloa takaisin seuraamaan suoraa lˆ hetystˆ ari finaalista vugrahztq: Tˆ nˆ ˆ n on jˆ ljellˆ 1 jakoa miniemin: kotieli.... A...... Q.. K.... maribelxx: Hyvˆ ˆ iltaa kaikille! maribelxx: yt on elaajien energia-annosta tˆ ydennetty ja ˆ ivˆ n viimeinen sessio alussa...... J.... A...... Q.. J...... - -
Finnish Pairs Final(R1-) Board : 1-0 : 1 1 o x - 00 c -1 0 AQ J A J AQ K J AQ Q K J - K K - : Fabritius : Viitasalo Oen : alomaa : Lindstedt 1 X XX X kaao: Mika might find an invite.. cenglund: In hearts, a nasty surrise is awaiting k ylinen: well,not my choice dbl..r...... kaao: Juniorish, erhas?..... cenglund: - are in dee trouble now.. J cenglund: outh was stretching the luck far too much cenglund: It remains to be seen how many down will go, robably -.. A............ J.. T.. Q.. K.............. A.. J.... Q kaao: ell, it s just one board at matchoints.. K.... cenglund: ure, but a rock bottom one kaao: outh should find some balance in his balancing actions. On the first board he held 1 and did not...... J.. Q.. A...... cenglund: This was a foolhardy action...... #1 :: J,A,, # ::,,,J # :: T,Q,K, # ::,,, # ::,A,J, # :: Q,K,, # ::,,J,Q # :: A,,, # ::,,, # :: T,,T, # ::, K, A, #1 ::,,,T #1 :: Q,,, K kaao: ounds nice :) kaao: This is round 1 of the to be layed during the weekend kaao: boards a round kaao: Restart tomorrow is at AM local time, after the change to normal (non-summer) time...0-.. kaao: alomaa s ass is alerted because it denies as much as HCP..1!..1-1 kaao: In rd and th seat, lay 1-1 1T.. kaao: should be transfer here..!...! cenglund: Let s see if they reach the game k ylinen: no chance... - -
Finnish Pairs Final(R1-) Board : 1 1 : 1-0 o x - 00 c -1 0 AQ J A J AQ K J AQ - K K - maribelxx: Jatkoa ajatellen tˆ mˆ kisasivun linkki on aremi, jos meinaa sen tallentaa htt://bridgefinland.fi /sm/ari0/results.h maribelxx: Ja tuolla kisasivuilla on runsaasti valokuviakin Bulletin-kohdassa, kˆ ykˆ ˆ ˆ katsomassa.. J...... J vugrahztq: Arttu vaihtelee A:n ja Q vˆ lillˆ........ A........ miniemin: tais saada kotiin kun elaa ata A ja ata. i nyt.. A.... T.... K.... T.. K.. T.............. Q.............. Q.. A...... J.. A.. J.... Q K J : Karhulahti : Laakso Closed : Kanerva : Pekkinen 1 1 #1 ::,J,, # :: J,,, # :: A,,, # ::,A,, T # ::,K,, T # :: K,T,, # ::,,, # :: Q,,, # ::,,,Q # :: A,,, J # :: A,J,, #1 ::,K,, Q #1 :: T,, K, Q maribelxx: kunhan vielˆ taustajoukotkin (tai siis minˆ ) ehtisi saada vˆ hˆ n murua rinnan alle :).... T.... T...... K.. A.......... T.. Q...... K miniemin: hertta -0 vastassa... maribelxx: ekin asia tˆ ssˆ edistynee ikkuhiljaa, kauassa sentˆ ˆ n kˆ vin ˆ sken, joten ei hˆ tiˆ mitiˆ..1..1.. maribelxx: Tˆ ssˆ hˆ n meillˆ on seurattavana uusi kˆ rkiari mikˆ li oikein tuloksia vilkaisin.. maribelxx: Juu, Karhulahti - Pekkinen johtaa tˆ ll ˆ hetkellˆ.... miniemin: Pekkisen otsa kirkastui :) maribelxx: suora tuloslinkki edellisen kierroksen jˆ lkeen htt://www.bridgefinland.com/bilbo/res/.htm... - -
Finnish Pairs Final(R1-) Board : 1-0 : 0 o 0 c 0-00 AK J Q A A K Q J Q A K Q J K J 1 : Fabritius : Viitasalo Oen : alomaa : Lindstedt 1 1 "the lead between and is like: the god said one thing, the artner said another - who would you believe?" kaao: I can t quite remeber who said that originally but I ll ask the audience kaao: omething to do during the break kaao: nd of round 1. ew layers here soon cenglund: This time the agressive defensive bidding aid off kaao: Karhulahti - Pekkinen should be with us next round, and Viitasalo - alomaa move to table (the other vugrah table) cenglund: hat s the overall standing? kaao: htt://bridgefinland.fi/sm/ari0/ results.h?lang= k ylinen: I cant understan why was assed at the oter table #1 ::,,J,A # :: A,,,Q # :: K,,, # :: Q,,, # ::,,T,A # :: K,,, kaao: coe for action here too.... K.... Q.. T.... K.. Q kaao: is close...1!..1+...1!..0- kaao: orth might not find the lead kaao: lay Bart imson club where 1 is strong, 1+ HCP.......... kaao: It seems outh got a bit scared after the revious board and assed a 1-count as dealer...... J.. A kaao: But on the second round of bidding had got his courage back :).. A...... Q.. K.... cenglund: This is going to be good score for -, most of the field gets a diamond lead.... Q.. kaao: Hmm, looks an accident (at the other table).......... T.. A.. K cenglund: ven the otimists bidding the slam kaao: A kib quotes some famous bridge author: - -
Finnish Pairs Final(R1-) Board : 0 : 1-0 o 0 c 0-00 AK J Q A A K Q J Q A K Q J K J 1 : Karhulahti : Laakso Closed : Kanerva : Pekkinen 1 #1 :: K,,,A # ::,,, # ::,Q,A, # :: K,,, # :: Q,,, miniemin: Viitasalomaa saaneet eurotoin :) vugrahztq: Kilailunjohtaja ˆ ydˆ ssˆ vugrahztq: Orkoneva on avannut vˆ ˆ rˆ llˆ vuorolla miniemin: Kyllˆ mˆ kin noin hyvillˆ vugrahztq: Mutta Arttu oli assaamassa liian aikasin ja tarjous hyvˆ ksytˆ ˆ n miniemin: jˆ ivˆ t alaeliin...1...... K...... A............ Q.. A.... K........ Q Board : 1 : - 0 o 0 c x 0-00 AQ J J Q J AK K Q A J AK K Q - : Fabritius : Viitasalo Oen : alomaa : Lindstedt X X X #1 :: K,Q,, # :: Q,,, # :: J,,, # ::,,, # :: J,,, # :: A,,, # :: K,A,, # ::,T,, # :: K,Q,, # :: T,,, J # :: J,A,, k ylinen: d kaao: elcome to Lauri aber from stonia. Tere!......! zyxzewski: Tere! Hi all!.. cenglund: Hi all..!...... kaao: : Lasse Bergroth - Kurt-rik Hˆ ggblom.. zyxzewski: again one of those boards where there seems to be about 0 hc-s.. kaao: Aarently T is still Ogust, even over the double k ylinen: is not my choice in this bidding kaao: Arttu Karhulahti describing a minimum with good suit.. K vugrahztr: no, shortness in kaao: Ah, ok.. Q.... cenglund: A tough game.. Q cenglund: It aears that declarer is short the - -
Finnish Pairs Final(R1-) th trick........ J kaao: Perhas Pekkinen didn t notice that both of the oonets took art in the auction :) zyxzewski: maybe some kind of trum cou? vugrahztr: AK + crossruff?.............. zyxzewski: i guess that would have been winning line on first glance.. J...... vugrahztr: doesn t believe he will make both high s without oonents ruffing kaao: He could also try the double finesse in s zyxzewski: maybe there is still a chance now... ruff AK ruff heart ruff club and heart zyxzewski: ruff and then exit with last club cenglund: The cross ruff does not work because can discard a club on rd heart and overruff zyxzewski: no, he needs to take discards to overruff.. A...... vugrahztr: and that would be his last trick kaao: outh and ast seem to have taken some views at the other table, laying in X.. K.. A.... cenglund: The last club will be overruffed.... T...... K.. Q.. zyxzewski: and that endlays south, actually there would be no ruff to overruff :).... T...... J.. J.. A.. k ylinen: wd.. cenglund: ow it s making Board : - 0 : 1 o 0 c x 0-00 AQ J J Q J AK K Q A J AK K Q - : Karhulahti : Laakso Closed : Kanerva : Pekkinen X #1 :: Q,,, # :: A,Q,, # :: J,K,A, # ::,,A, # ::,,Q, # ::,,K,Q # ::,,, J # ::,,, # ::,,, # ::,T, J, # :: T, T, J, #1 ::,, K, #1 :: A, T,, K vugrahztq: Pekka: Kumi rankaisi?....... Q miniemin: Tosi hyvˆ itˆ -lˆ nnelle vugrahztq: -...... miniemin: Tuskin vaarassa.. A.. Q...... J.. K.. A miniemin: alomaa-viitasalo johtaa kisaa, lsiset kolmas, Pekkinen-Karhulahti toisia......... A........ Q........ K.. Q........ J.. - -
Finnish Pairs Final(R1-) Board : 1 1 : - 0 o -1 0 c A A K J K Q J Q A J K Q J A K Q : Fabritius : Viitasalo Oen : alomaa : Lindstedt 1 X XX cenglund: A bit stretchy game again, seems to be their trade mark zyxzewski: same here... would have imagined same hand with Q or something... vugrahztr: wanted to comete, RD didn t romise fit kaao: If it just showed any maximum hand, then erhas was just looking for another suit zyxzewski: well, if artner does not have a fit in hearts, maybe he wants to axe or something else similar?.... J.. A.............. K k ylinen: with I dont understand.. A.. cenglund: Of course, DQ onside would be enough for a make #1 :: J,,,A # ::,,Q, # ::,J,A, # ::,,, # ::,K,A, # :: J,,,Q # ::,T,, Q # ::,,J,Q cenglund: outh should have layed the K on J.................. T.. J.... T.. T.. J........ K.... A.. T.... K kaao: I d have guessed Arttu to suer accet the transfer...1.....transfer...!... vugrahztr: me too zyxzewski: me three kaao: Results after R1: htt://bridgefinland.fi/ sm/ari0/results.h?lang=....r kaao: alomaa - Viitasalo retaken the lead.. zyxzewski: balancing feels a bit creey in red vs white, but as Larry Cohen had advised - never sell out in majors........ k ylinen: I dont understand D bid.. J.... kaao: Deends a bit on what the redoule showed.. A...... Q.. - -
Finnish Pairs Final(R1-) Board : - 0 : 1 1 o -1 0 c A A K J K Q J Q A J K Q J A K Q : Karhulahti : Laakso Closed : Kanerva : Pekkinen 1 #1 :: J,,,A # ::,,K, # ::,J,A, # :: K,A,, # :: T,,Q, miniemin: luultavasti tikkiˆ.. J...... Q.... T.... Q...... J.. Q...0-...1..1-1......... miniemin: Jos saa eliminoitua adan niin oikealla ruutuarvuksella. Vaatii vastustajien aua... J...... A...... K...... J.. A.... K.. A...... T.... Q.. Board : 1-1 : 1 1 o 0 c 0 0 A J K J AQ J Q K Q K AK AQ J : Fabritius : Viitasalo Oen : alomaa : Lindstedt #1 ::,,A,T # ::,,K,J # :: A,,, zyxzewski: i normally lay it like "the oonents have a roblem here" and bid - well what artner is suosed to do if he has three diamondsa and doubleton heart? kaao: Last board of round 1. After this we ll switch back to alomaa - Viitasalo cenglund: In airs you should not bid thin games kaao: A rare beast, a natural oening.. cenglund: Unless, you know that the field is robably doing the same vugrahztr: for % chance of making is enough for game in IMPs, that one had 0% chance zyxzewski: yes, but its very hard to blame est on going to game after the bid zyxzewski: Here the natural oening bid works wonderfully.......... zyxzewski: the best start for defense.. A.. T kaao: It sure does, directs the lead.. zyxzewski: i would robably have raised artners to three - just in case he will be in with - -
Finnish Pairs Final(R1-) oening lead.... K.. J kaao: Otherwise a diamond is itched on the clubs cenglund: A dull board anyway, everyone leads diamonds kaao: ice idea, Lauri zyxzewski: or heart :) vugrahztr: excet CR? zyxzewski: well, if asses, and bidding goes 1 -? zyxzewski: because if you dont have natural oening i would be a bit afraid of oening in those colors.. A...... kaao: Change of round, change of layers cenglund: My guess is that this is close to average, excet when is declarer Board : 1 1 : 1-1 o 0 c 0 0 A J K J AQ J Q K Q K AK AQ J : Karhulahti : Laakso Closed : Kanerva : Pekkinen 1 #1 ::,Q,, # :: Q,,, # ::,T,K, # :: A,,, # ::,A,, # :: K,J,, maribelxx: Jaahas, ieniˆ sijamuutoksia kˆ rjessˆ...0-..1.. maribelxx: Tiivis on kuitenkin kolmikko edelleen.....ekstraa ainoastaan! tai +!C miniemin: Ruudut tˆ ytyy ottaa.. miniemin: Vaikeaa eli usein tikkiˆ..... miniemin: Jaon takia kˆ rkiari taisi lisˆ tˆ johtoaan.. Q...... Q.......... T.. K.... A.......... A...... K.. J.... maribelxx: Tˆ mˆ viimeinen sessio kˆ sittˆ ˆ yhteensˆ 1 jakoa maribelxx: Louillasta saattaa tulla yllˆ ttˆ viˆ utoamisia ja vastaavasti nousuja miniemin: Tˆ ssˆ Karhulahti - Pekkinen uolustivat hyvin eli saivat tikkiˆ ja varmaan toinkˆ ryisen merkinnˆ n. maribelxx: Tuloksissa on vain kierrosnumerot eli - -
Finnish Pairs Final(R1-) nˆ mˆ viimeiset ovat siis kierrokset 1- Board : 1 1 1 : - 1 o 0 c 00 00 AQ K Q Q J J J AK K AK J A Q - : Fabritius : Viitasalo Oen : alomaa : Lindstedt 1 1 #1 ::,Q,, # ::,,J, # :: K,A,, # ::,,,K # :: T,Q,, # ::,J,, A # ::,,, # :: J,,, # ::,T,K, # :: A,,, # ::, T,, Q#1 :: T,A,Q, #1 ::, K,J, zyxzewski: i would offer % for :) k ylinen: not oening D made tricks at the other table kaao: Back with Viitasalo - alomaa () against Jarmo Laakso - Markku Kanerva ()..1!..1+ kaao: orry, Kari Kanerva..1... zyxzewski: T now? k ylinen: why not D by?...1-... kaao: 1 is strong, 1+. ith a balanced hand it could be 1-1 or + zyxzewski: anyone for 1 overcall instead of 1?.... Q cenglund: Bad breaks may wreck this contract, articularly on this lead kaao: Laakso gave himself a good lead director.. - -
Finnish Pairs Final(R1-)........ J.. zyxzewski: yes :).. K kaao: Results after round 1 are u: htt:// bridgefinland.fi/sm/ari0/results.h?lang=.. A............ K.. T.. Q........ J.... A........ zyxzewski: maybe it would have worked better here to take 1st trick to hand and lay down A ( thats of course a bit double-dummish) cenglund: natching the nd heart was a mistake.. J.......... T kaao: To three remain the same.. K.... A.......... T.. zyxzewski: or maybe even the 1st one :).. Q.. T.. A.. Q...... K.. J.. kaao: However, Valta - iemi (last year silver medallists) have climbed to the th lace cenglund: The defence was less than erfect Board : - 1 : 1 1 1 o 0 c 00 00 AQ K Q Q J J J AK K AK J A Q - : Karhulahti : Laakso Closed : Kanerva : Pekkinen #1 ::,,,T # :: A,,, # :: K,,, # ::,,Q, # ::,,J, miniemin: Multi, vahva nyt..!...!... maribelxx: Ja tietenkin kilailussa jaot on numeroitu juoksevasti.. miniemin: vˆ hˆ n istuu huonosti eli on tˆ itˆ....... maribelxx: essio alkoi todellisuudessa jaosta.. mutta BBO:ssa ilmeisesti tulee brikkamˆ ˆ rˆ rajoitus vastaan ja joudutaan lataamaan tiedostot korvaavaa numerointia kˆ yttˆ en.. T.. A........ K miniemin:,, ja 1 eli ainaki tikkiˆ - 1 -
Finnish Pairs Final(R1-) Board : 1-1 : o 0 c -0 K Q Q J AK A J AQ J K K Q A J 1 : Fabritius : Viitasalo Oen : alomaa : Lindstedt 1 cenglund: Let s see..... zyxzewski: i think, outh was afraid, that orths other suit is.. T.. k ylinen: gess Markku will make this kaao: Or my namesake, Kari.. A............ A.. zyxzewski: thats the usual roblem wiht multimeaning bids, that if you really haen to have magical fit, you would never believe it.... T.... kaao: Markku Kanerva is laying with Jaakko Grundstrˆ m zyxzewski: now it should be relatively easy...... K...... Q.. A...... zyxzewski: if has really red cards and three sades, then... cenglund: This is like oen book k ylinen: he has the count now zyxzewski: btw, can make here zyxzewski: that would have been very good " sacrifice" #1 ::,T,A, # ::,,,J # ::,J,K, # ::,,T, # :: A,,, # ::,,A, # ::,T,, # ::,,K, # ::,Q,A, # ::,,T, cenglund: To score for -............ Q........ J....1 kaao: I believe orth s otions are either to bid a natural or show s and a major with..!..!d+m, at least - kaao: Besides assing, that is zyxzewski: DOT in action :) kaao: ither that or the "ew Millenium DOT ", as Viitasalo calls it.... kaao: here double shows either one minor or both majors zyxzewski: they use something interesting?.. zyxzewski: OK... cenglund: This should make, rovided that declarer finds the CQ.... T.. A.. kaao: hould not be that hard after the bidding vugrahztr: finesse should become obvious k ylinen: tough bidding by........ J.... J.. K.. - 1 -
Finnish Pairs Final(R1-) Board : : 1-1 o 0 c -0 K Q Q J AK A J AQ J K K Q A J 1 : Karhulahti : Laakso Closed : Kanerva : Pekkinen 1 #1 :: K,,, # ::,Q,A, # :: J,,, # ::,J,K, # :: Q,,, # ::,,A, # ::,,A, # :: K,,, miniemin: ristiˆ tuskin arvaa joten tikkiˆ ataelissˆ.. T....1.......... Board : 1 1 1 : - o 0 c 00 0 J A A J AQ Q K K AQ J K J Q K : Fabritius : Viitasalo Oen : alomaa : Lindstedt 1 1 1 #1 ::,K,, # :: K,A,, # ::,Q,, # ::,,Q, # :: J,,, # :: Q,A,, # :: J,A,, # :: Q,,, # ::,,, T # ::,K,, # ::, T, T,J #1 ::,T,J, cenglund: The declarer did not dissaoint us... K.......... Q.. A.... J.......... J.. K.... Q............ A........ A.... K...... kaao: The (likely) 1 is -1, usually + but could be - with - HCP balanced w/o c major..1!..-1 +!d zyxzewski: he couldnt - he was on vugrah :) k ylinen: I was suriesed that Viitasalo assed.. kaao: Last board of the round..1...1..-... zyxzewski: maybe could have ugraded his hand to 1-1 T? :) kaao: Pekka is quite strict with oint counting :).. K...... K.. A........ Q - 1 -
Finnish Pairs Final(R1-) zyxzewski: i ersonally like to do such thing like adding a oint for card suit, if balanced :).. cenglund: This should make easily, but overtricks are hard to get.. kaao: ith initial actions, at least k ylinen: H now? zyxzewski: it deends how otimistic or essimistic you are zyxzewski: on double dummy you can overtake J to gain an entry to hand zyxzewski: but i dont think this is a real lan here cenglund: In airs you can t take the risk that diamond breaks -...... Q.. zyxzewski: although, it costs only, if are -, if they are -, you either dont have loser anyway or you lose a trick anyway k ylinen: wd zyxzewski: and you robably should go for diamonds zyxzewski: it was too hard to duck the Q here.. J........ Q.. A...... J.. A...... Q.............. T.... K.... zyxzewski: when all your knowledge and reflexes are against it (you should grab an honour with honour).... T.. T.. J.... T.. J cenglund: By ducking the CQ would score 1 trick more zyxzewski: but actually, the diamond osition was really interesting... k ylinen: bye all need to go to sauna now cenglund: Declarer CQ was an error, but defence missed the chance of exloiting it cenglund: By laying a small C to the K declarer will make tricks cenglund: Ok, montako jakoa viela elataan Board : - : 1 1 1 o 0 c 00 0 J A A J AQ Q K K AQ J K J Q K : Karhulahti : Laakso Closed : Kanerva : Pekkinen 1 #1 ::,,,J # :: K,,, # ::,,Q, # ::,,, T # ::,,, # ::,A,K, # ::,A,, # ::,,J, # :: K,J,, # :: A,,, # :: Q,,,T maribelxx: Ilmeisesti kommentointiorukasa suurin osa on tekemˆ ssˆ jotain muuta (mukavamaa?) nˆ in lauantai-iltana :(...1.....tv kysely maribelxx: Kaikesta huolimatta joudun nyt itˆ m ˆ ˆ n sen ruokatauon...... maribelxx: Pˆ rjˆ ilkˆ ˆ - ja alataan ian asiaan... miniemin: ilmeisesti luonnollinen ja vaatimus? emalka: oilsiko -way stayman miniemin: no niinˆ olikin, haki - valttia.. miniemin: Karhulahti-Pekkinen tˆ stˆ yli meedelin...... J.. K............ Q.......... T............ A.. K...... A.......... J.... K.. J...... A........ Q.... kaao: Josa vˆ lillˆ huutelen tˆ nnekin, kun - 1 -
Finnish Pairs Final(R1-) saimme avoimeen huoneeseen (uoli)ulkoilaista vahvistusta.. T kaao: Kierros 0 alkamassa. dellisen kierroksen tulokset tulevat tuota ikaa tuonne: htt://bridgefinland.fi /sm/ari0/results.h miniemin: alomaa-viitasalo saivat tˆ ssˆ jaossa tikkiˆ kaao: Tˆ mˆ on siis normaali arikilailu. ˆ ytˆ ssˆ olevat isteet olisivat Board-a-match - joukkuekilvan mukaisia kaao: Pˆ ivˆ n viimeinen sessio on menossa miniemin: i ole kehitetty systeemiˆ, ettˆ jossain ikkunassa nˆ kyisi sen hetkinen rosentti jaossa niinkuin bridgematessa kaao: Huomenna eli alkaa klo kaao: Muistattehan, ettˆ huomenna eletˆ ˆ n jo talviaikaa kaao: Joten klo on sen mukainen Board : 1 : - o -1 0 c - 00 0 AQ K K J K J J AQ K Q J AQ A : Fabritius : Viitasalo Oen : alomaa : Lindstedt 1 #1 ::,,T,Q # :: A,,J, # ::,K,, # ::,,, # :: K,,, A # ::, T,, # :: Q,,, # :: J,,, # ::,,J,Q # ::,, T,J # :: T,,,A zyxzewski: action bid :)..1!..-1 +!d.. cenglund: alomaa-viitasalo laying - are on lead, - Kiander - Tarkkila, not in the uer half..... zyxzewski: and not the best ossible lead (mildly said), but still goes one off.. T.. Q.. A.. cenglund: ven on this lead you wont make it.. J...... K.............. K...... A - 1 -
Finnish Pairs Final(R1-) Board : - : 1 o -1 0 c - 00 0 AQ K K J K J J AQ K Q J AQ A : Karhulahti : Laakso Closed : Kanerva : Pekkinen 1 miniemin: tai ruudut kasvaa junioreille.... Q.. kaao: hkˆ Pekkisen olisi ollut aremi sakata eikˆ :ˆ.... Q.. K.. kaao: itten voisi edes jostain saada tikkejˆ kasvuun omalle uolelle miniemin: nˆ in on kaao: Toki hieman eˆ onnekasta, ettei -maski kˆ ynyt miniemin: tosin Arttu elinviettelijˆ nˆ :) kaao: Kaas kaao: Toisessa huoneessa Mika avasi itˆ nˆ systeemin mukaisen 1 ja etelˆ loikkasi :iin.... J.... A.. K........ T...... A kaao: hkˆ -avaus olisi mahdollinen tˆ ˆ llˆ kin, kun ei ylˆ vˆ rejˆ liiemmin ole.. T............ kaao: Hyvin uolustettu junnuilta............ A...... J.. emalka: jotkut :t varmaan elaavat -osamerkint ˆ ˆ kahdennettuna kotiin #1 ::,, A, # ::,,Q, # ::,Q,K, # ::,J,,A # :: K,,, # :: T,,,A # :: T,,, # ::,,, # ::,,, # :: A,,,J # ::,,, miniemin: Olisi arikisaystˆ vˆ llistˆ mutta vaatisi kytkennˆ n mateihin.... T...... Q........ J............ J.. Q...... T.. J.. T...... A kaao: Pieniˆ suunnitelmia oli laittaa M-kisasta yˆ rimˆ ˆ n sellainen, mutta ei vielˆ saatu valmiiksi kaao: hkˆ ensi kerralla sitten :) miniemin: hienoa kaao: :ssa kisan kakkosena olevat Arttu ja Markku...1........ kaao: :nˆ juniorit Antti Aimala ja ami Mˆ ki miniemin: menee ietiin jos jatkaa hertan ja Mˆ ki ruudun.... A.. kaao: Yhteysulmia elinviennissˆ emalka: itseasiassa useamaan ietiin miniemin: kyllˆ, risti haanee.. - 1 -
Finnish Pairs Final(R1-) Board : 1 - : o -1 0 c 0 0 K K K K A J Q Q Q J A A J J A Q : Fabritius : Viitasalo Oen : alomaa : Lindstedt 1 1 1 overbid to me.. J.. Q.. A.. vugrahztr: natural, for cenglund: aloma made a serious error, but declarer is giving back everything with interest.. A.............. zyxzewski: hmmm... J zyxzewski: maybe they are starting to get tired........ T zyxzewski: how long they have been laying today?.. K...... K........ Q cenglund: It did not occur to declarer that DK is robably lying offside.. K.... cenglund: This was a ure gift.... T.. A.. J vugrahztr: we have layed for h0min zyxzewski: yes, but ruffing the 1th club cannot be a winner in here #1 ::,A,,Q # ::,T,J,K # ::,Q,, # :: J,Q,A, # :: A,,, # ::,,, # :: J,,, # :: T,K,, # :: K,,, # :: Q,K,, # ::,T,A,J zyxzewski: Maybe and should team u - they have again sades between them zyxzewski: I feel, that the most likely contract here would be from zyxzewski: do have heart fit, but i dont believe alomaa would bid such suit..1..1 zyxzewski: but of course you never know (till its too late)..1..- cenglund: Hardly 1 to1..... vugrahztr: that s what i heard zyxzewski: what system are laying?..... A.. vugrahztr: i may have misheard.. Q vugrahztr: it is, after all, more likely.... T.. J.. K.... Q.... zyxzewski: if they lay strong 1, then maybe its ossible to think of bid (although it would be a little bit stretched), but if not, it seems an - 1 -
Finnish Pairs Final(R1-) Board : : 1 - o -1 0 c 0 0 K K K K A J Q Q Q J A A J J A Q : Karhulahti : Laakso Closed : Kanerva : Pekkinen 1 1 #1 ::,,A,J # ::,Q,K, # ::,T,, # ::,,,K # ::,J,, # ::,,J,K # ::,,,A miniemin: joo eli ei nolla ollenkaan kaao: :llˆ olisi yhteinen herttavˆ ri, mutta sit ˆ voi olla hankala lˆ ytˆ ˆ kaao: o, ehkˆ Mˆ ki vosi sen vielˆ balanssiltalˆ ytˆ ˆ kin. Aika hemulit on kyllˆ..1...1...... Board 1 : 1 - : - o c 1 0 AK K A Q AQ J J A Q J K J K Q : Fabritius : Viitasalo Oen : alomaa : Lindstedt #1 ::,,, # ::,,K, # :: Q,,,J # :: J,,K, # ::,A,, # ::,,A, T # ::,Q,, cenglund: ince there would have been no entries to dummy alomaa should not have covered...... A.. J.... Q.. K...... T............ K.... J.......... J.. K........ A zyxzewski: and how much it goes on? maybe this is the "last rounds tilt" here - you are just waiting for the end and therefore laying a bit sloily?..!..-1,!cm or +!C.. zyxzewski: robably recision style here? cenglund: Here you can make C vugrahztr: or T layed by cenglund: Yes, that would be the to score..! zyxzewski: robably they wont reach there from hand...... cenglund: This is hardly a good score for -............... K.. cenglund: Another dull board from as far as the laying is concerned.. Q...... J.. J.... K...... A.... - 1 -
Finnish Pairs Final(R1-) zyxzewski: most likely they did not have the other way to show IV hand here and was afraid, that was just looking for heart fit and could have been weaker.... zyxzewski: i wonder, how they lay - direct raise.. A.. T.... Q cenglund: Anyway oening hands should belong to game, given the excellent fit zyxzewski: yes, but if your oening starts from ts... cenglund: Making overtricks was not so bad after all zyxzewski: i also lay the same oening ( although a bit stronger () -1) and i have found very useful to lay T answer as transfer to (weak raise in clubs or some strong... zyxzewski: variants) and direct raise as with some game interest zyxzewski: so giving their oening limits, here it would have been sot on here to raise to and then can go on with his maximum zyxzewski: because normally you exect at least to reach to the game with hc, even if not making it cenglund: In case they lay Precision is at the to of the range Board 1 : - : 1 - o c 1 0 AK K A Q AQ J J A Q J K J K Q : Karhulahti : Laakso Closed : Kanerva : Pekkinen 1 1 1 #1 ::,K,, # ::,,K, # :: Q, T,, # ::,, A,J # :: T,,, # ::,,, # :: A,,,J # ::, Q, Q, # ::,, K, # ::,,J, # ::,A,T, #1 :: Q, J, A, #1 :: T,,, K kaao: Tuloksia kierrokselta 1 on ilmestynyt: htt://bridgefinland.fi/sm/ari0/results.h..1...1...1.. miniemin: itˆ is elata kun hertta vuotaa kaao: Jos T niin mieluusti idˆ stˆ emalka: tai arikisatyylinen kaao: nˆ yttˆ isi normaalimmalta inviitiltˆ amin kˆ dellˆ... kaao: hkˆ hˆ n elkˆ si, ettˆ artnerilla on -jakauma kaao: Hieman yllˆ ttˆ vˆ assi. hkˆ Mˆ ellˆ on taana olla istettˆ inviiteissˆ ˆ n..... K.......... K kaao: Voittaa toisen ˆ ydˆ n merkinnˆ n.... Q.. T.......... A.. J.. T................ A...... J.... Q.. Q........ K........ - 0 -
Finnish Pairs Final(R1-) J...... A.. T.... Q.. J.. A kaao: Kierros 0 ˆ ˆ tˆ ksessˆ ˆ n.... T...... K kaao: Toista sijaa itˆ vˆ t Arttu ja Markku jatkavat tˆ ˆ llˆ vugrahztq: Kˆ rki kohtaa seuraavalla kierroksella, joten lsiset ˆ ˆ sevˆ t kolmantena dramaan Board 1 : 1 - : - o -1 0 c -1 0 1 0 K K Q J J K Q A K Q J A A AQ J : Fabritius : Viitasalo Oen : alomaa : Lindstedt 1 1 1 #1 :: K,A,,T # ::,,K, # :: A,,, # :: Q,,J,A # :: A,,, # :: Q,,, # ::,,J, # :: K,,, kaao: If memory serves, - is the good invite hand in Bart imson club. This sequence showed a bad invite kaao: Must be really bad, if maximum HCPs are not enough to accet :) zyxzewski: and in MPs, if you guess you can outlay the field, you shouldnt try to outbid also, so you should accet it cenglund: ow the air on lead alomaa- Viitasalo is laying against the air lying nd, Karhulahti-Pekkinen..1!..-1 +!d.. zyxzewski: is the limit here - at least with oen cards..1...1..-...!........ cenglund: Here you may get overboard, club lead is devastating zyxzewski: and id find it very hard to ersuade not to lead - 1 -
Finnish Pairs Final(R1-) zyxzewski: there is still a chance - the heart honours may be blocked... K zyxzewski: no, it doesnt hel zyxzewski: because can exit with club afterwards (there will be no trums in dummy when that moment arrives) vugrahztr: slight chance of ducking this and later laying honor from hand cenglund: There is always the chance that would take the bait if high is layed from hand.. A.... T cenglund: ow the contract doomed...... K.... A........ Q.... J.. A.. A........ Q.. cenglund: is.. Board 1 : - : 1 - o -1 0 c -1 0 1 0 K K Q J J K Q A K Q J A A AQ J : Karhulahti : Laakso Closed : Kanerva : Pekkinen #1 :: K,A,, # ::,,A, # ::,,J,A # ::,T,J, # :: Q,,, # :: K,,, # :: Q,,, # :: T,,, # ::, T,, # ::,,,A # :: Q,,, vugrahztq: Tiina otti silmˆ lasien siivous tauon........ J.... K..... kaao: Hyvˆ viimeistˆ ˆ n nyt, kun kisa on vˆ hˆ n uolen yli :)..... kaao: Tˆ mˆ n itˆ isi kai olla kierros 1. Odottelin Arttua ja Markkua, mutta heillˆ onkin kˆ rkikohtaaminen toisessa ˆ ydˆ ssˆ Mikkiˆ ja Pekkaa vastaan.. K vugrahztq: Hyvˆ lˆ htˆ. Tulee ari ietiˆ miniemin: mennee kahteen ietiin tai yhteen jos ei herttaan koske.. A.......... A.. emalka: minnekˆ s :t katoaa?...... J.. A kaao: yˆ dˆ ˆ n :).. miniemin: no nyt ei, mutta ja ei koskaan koska osaavat uolustaa.. T.. J.... Q kaao: oli suht rivakka tarjous...... kaao: Jˆ ikˆ hˆ n laseihin silti likaa ;) emalka: Johan ˆ ˆ tti sˆ ilyttˆ ˆ ruutuhollin.. K.. - -
Finnish Pairs Final(R1-)...... Q........ T.......... T.... kaao: Arlen olisi hyvˆ sakata ruutunsa ois, niin tilanne selviˆ ˆ artnerille.... miniemin: joo kuten tuli mainittua voi ˆ ˆ stˆ yhdellˆ ietillˆ :).. kaao: Hyvˆ yritys vielˆ Lindeniltˆ mutta liian myˆ hˆ ˆ n.. A.. Q...... Board 1 : 1 - : - o -1 0 c -1 0 1 A AK AK Q K A J J J J Q Q K Q : Fabritius : Viitasalo Oen : alomaa : Lindstedt! 1 1 #1 :: A,,, # :: K,,, # :: Q,J,, T # :: A,Q,, # ::,K,, # ::,,A, # :: K,,,J # ::,, Q, # :: T,,,K zyxzewski: yes, no anicking here :) cenglund: ot necessarily so bad score for -, because most of the field may get to high as well zyxzewski:, -1 :) zyxzewski: yes, it deends, if other -s oen or not, its still a bit light for standard oening...!..0-..1..1..!...... A cenglund: howing good values and suort, I guess cenglund: 1 down for sure........ K........ Q.. J.... T.. A.. Q zyxzewski: thre will not be much in lay - all the roads are leading to Rome........ K.......... A.... K...... J zyxzewski: i believe, it will be a standard result here...... Q.... T...... K - -
Finnish Pairs Final(R1-) Board 1 : - : 1 - o -1 0 c -1 0 1 A AK AK Q K A J J J J Q Q K Q : Karhulahti : Laakso Closed : Kanerva : Pekkinen 1 X #1 ::,,Q, # :: A,,, # :: K,J,, T # ::,Q,, # ::,,A, # ::,,Q,J # :: K,,,A # ::, T,, K # ::,, T, J # :: Q,,,K kaao: Arlella mainio kolmannen kˆ den avaus kaao: hkˆ moni avaisi ekassa tai tokassakin kaao: Tai sitten neljˆ nnessˆ :)...1.. emalka: Arle on vanhan liiton miehiˆ :).. kaao: Pataelissˆ olisi aika aljon tikkejˆ................ emalka: hyvˆ sitoumus. menee kolmessa.. Q.... A........ K.. J miniemin: voisi jˆ rjestyˆ kun kaikki hyvin Board 1 : 1 0 : - o c -1 0 1-0 K A AQ Q J Q A J A K K J Q J K : Fabritius : Viitasalo Oen : alomaa : Lindstedt 1 1 #1 ::,A,, # ::,,A, # ::,K,,Q # :: A,,,K # ::,T,K, # :: K,A,, cenglund: They should be able to sto, but then would double and C is cold for -.... T.... Q.......... A........ Q.. J.. K...... A.... T.... K...... T.. J.. Q...... K zyxzewski: yes, also, but you dont exect to reach there with - ft..1!..-1 +!D..1...!.... cenglund: Yes, but robably D -1 is not bad for -..... zyxzewski: yes, they cannot go better.. zyxzewski: here is also making, again not much in lay.. zyxzewski: If dont start to lay diamonds himself (which i do not believe).. A.. cenglund: losers visible, this should be easy make........ A...... K.... Q cenglund: Unless declarer becomes greedy... A...... K.... T.. K.. - -
Finnish Pairs Final(R1-) cenglund: Given the bidding, it is very likely that diamong finesse is not going work zyxzewski: he robably cant afford it zyxzewski: has shown ts already cenglund: I guess he will the K zyxzewski: And only? cenglund: lay zyxzewski: K and A zyxzewski: so theres ractically no way, that can have Q zyxzewski: that would leave with 1 oints and emty A vugrahztr: this shouldn t take this long, atm has at most 1HCP in his 1T overcall, should claim tricks zyxzewski: and thats not an 1T overcall even in nonvul and MP.. K.. A.... cenglund: He did not let me down maribelxx: Round with the last boards for today soon to begin maribelxx: hile waiting the change you might enjoy the views of Helsinki htt://www.visithelsinki.fi /In_nglish/Visitor.iw maribelxx: Play will resume tomorrow morning, check the starting time on your zone here htt:// www.bridgebase.com/vugrah/schedule.h maribelxx: Local time at am (remember winter time!) cenglund: The ga between the score of these two leading airs is only oints Board 1 : - : 1 0 o c -1 0 1-0 K A AQ Q J Q A J A K K J Q J K : Karhulahti : Laakso Closed : Kanerva : Pekkinen 1 X #1 ::,A,, # ::,,A, # ::,K,,Q # ::,T,K, # ::,,, # ::,,T,Q # :: Q,J,, T # :: K,A,, # :: A,,,K kaao: Kierroksen viimeinen jako kaao: Tˆ nˆ ˆ n vielˆ yksi kolmen jaon kierros kaao: 1T nˆ yttˆ isi aika normaalilta Arlen kˆ dellˆ..1........... kaao: hkˆ vanhan liiton tyyliˆ taas? miniemin: joo, DBL multakin kaao: Tiinalta tykkˆ ˆ tˆ yseleistˆ :).. kaao: *Tiina miniemin: ei kyllˆ taida mennˆ.. A.......... A.. kaao: i itˆ isi mennˆ.... K.... Q.... T.. K.. miniemin: mutta estona kolmen adan kotieliin kyllˆ kˆ visi kaao: Uusia tuloksia tulee hetken ˆ ˆ stˆ tˆ nne htt://bridgefinland.fi/sm/ari0/results.h.............. T.. Q.. Q.. J.... T.. K.. A...... A...... K - -
Finnish Pairs Final(R1-) Board 1 : 1-0 : o c 0 1 0 K Q A K Q J K Q J J K Q A A - A J - : Fabritius : Viitasalo Oen : alomaa : Lindstedt 1 1 #1 ::,A,,T # ::,A,, # ::,K,A, # ::,,, # ::,, T, T cenglund: ow alomaa-viitasalo are laying against Fabritus-Lindstedt lying nd zyxzewski: can make here, but robably they will not reach there..1!..1+ vugrahztr: no overcall from?...1..0-.. zyxzewski: Pass is an interesting decision - maybe they have agreement, that with good hand they interfere later.... zyxzewski: at least i know eole who lay like that over strong 1...... cenglund: I wonder wether they can reach the cold game any more... vugrahztr: gave exlanation that this shows more strength than direct 1.... A.... T.... A.... cenglund: till should have invited to game with H instead of bidding a cometitive Board 1 : : 1-0 o c 0 1 0 K Q A K Q J K Q J J K Q A A - A J - : Karhulahti : Laakso Closed : Kanerva : Pekkinen 1 1 #1 ::,A,,T # ::,A,, # :: K,,, # ::,,, T # ::,,J,A # ::,T,,Q # :: K,,, kaao: Paluu Artun ja Markun ariin. Tilanne kˆ rjessˆ kierroksen 0 jˆ lkeen on tosi tiukka.... K.. A................ T.. T..1..+ -1..1 kaao: Vain isteen ero....... miniemin: Laakso-Kanerva elaa Rannaruutua.. kaao: Jarmo Laakso elaa Kari Kanervan kanssa (ja :nˆ raamatallenteisiin merkintˆ nˆ )... miniemin: avaus heillˆ - ylˆ vˆ rit.. A.... T.... A...... K kaao: Pekkisen kertoi hyvˆ n korotuksen adassa kaao: hkˆ aavistuksen rivakka vain k tuella emalka: nyt tarkkana -hakkujen kanssa.............. T miniemin: oli...... J.. A kaao: Kyllˆ hˆ n Arttu on tarkkana.... T.... Q kaao: iin muutoin idˆ n elaaja ruutu olisi - -
Finnish Pairs Final(R1-) tuottanut ulmia ylikuin muodossa.. K Board 1 : 1 : - o 0 c 1 0 Q J K Q K A A AQ AK J K Q J J 1 : Fabritius : Viitasalo Oen : alomaa : Lindstedt! 1 1 1 #1 :: Q,,,A # ::,,K, # ::,T,Q, # :: A,,, J # :: J,K,A, # ::,,T,Q zyxzewski: yes, ossibly so - two aces and singleton are always assets zyxzewski: now he has three of them and lot more :) zyxzewski: does oen with his hand? or Multi (if they lay that)? zyxzewski: (i must confess, i would) cenglund: Very essimistic bidding...!..0-..1...1.. zyxzewski: T most likely destination....1+...!..-.. cenglund: H is the to score, but C makes as well if not C zyxzewski: and withoud lead, it would be quite enjoyable (esecially taking account honours)....... zyxzewski: OK, they did well here not to go further... - -
Finnish Pairs Final(R1-) cenglund: Very good contract yielding way over average to -.. Q zyxzewski: hmm.. isnt making?...... A...... K...... T.. Q.. zyxzewski: seems to me like it would, it would.. A...... J.. J.. K.. A........ T.. Q Board 1 : - : 1 o 0 c 1 0 Q J K Q K A A AQ AK J K Q J J 1 : Karhulahti : Laakso Closed : Kanerva : Pekkinen 1 1 1 #1 ::,T,, # ::,,Q, # :: J,Q,A, # ::,,T,K # :: Q,,,A # ::,,, # ::,,K,T kaao: Pekkisellˆ vaihtoehtoja...1...1.. kaao:? T?? kaao: hkˆ T:n ja :n vˆ liltˆ valinta..!..+!c tai 1+ kaao: Tai jos on Gazilli niin sitten se...!..-!h miniemin: taisi olla.. kaao: Ilmeisesti oli konventionaalinen eli joko naturaali tai mikˆ tahansa 1+ kˆ si... kaao: Artun oli silloin max istettˆ ja yleensˆ k.... kaao: Tuon jˆ lkeen T on kenties hieman aggressiivinen... kaao: Kortit tosin istuvat hienosti.... T miniemin: Itˆ voisi kahdentaa T atalˆ htˆ ˆ n jos rˆ ytˆ isi.... emalka:, ja nt menevˆ t...... Q.. - -
Finnish Pairs Final(R1-).. J.. Q.. A...... kaao: Toinen ˆ ytˆ elasikin ylitikillˆ.. T miniemin: joo kaikki istuu hyvin.. K.. Q...... A.. Board 1 : 1 - : - o 0 c 1 0 1 0 K K Q J A J A K K Q AQ J Q J A - - : Fabritius : Viitasalo Oen : alomaa : Lindstedt 1 #1 ::,Q,K, # ::,,A, # :: T,J,, # :: K,,,A # ::,T,K, # ::,,Q, # ::,A,, # :: Q,T,, # ::,,, # :: Q,,, cenglund: Yes, but only on a - break in hearts............ K.. T cenglund: ort a slam I would like to be in zyxzewski: i have been in far worse ones :)..1..1-1...... kaao: Last board of today coming u. Thanks to the oerator Juho Granstrˆ m, who needed to kee his concentration through all these boards today.. zyxzewski: like robably everybody here cenglund: They don t lay transfers, I can see kaao: Also thanks to our commentators Christer nglund, Lauri aber and Kalle Ylinen vugrahztr:, i missed the first because of connection roblems kaao: And of course thanks to all kibitzers for watching and to BBO and BL for enabling us to watch.. kaao: Ah right. ell, thanks anyway :).. Q.. - -
Finnish Pairs Final(R1-) K.. cenglund: xcellent shot!...... A.. kaao: Lauri: true, they use -way tayman over the weak T.. T zyxzewski: its quite common facing weak T to lay two staymans and / as natural signoffs (since transfer gives more ossibilities to bid for oonents).. J kaao: withc to transfers over strong one...... K zyxzewski: that was the last one? :)...... A.... T.. K........ Q...... A...... Q.. T.............. Q vugrahztr: yes, we start again tomorrow morning zyxzewski: Ok, good night to everyone kaao: Restart is at local (winter) time cenglund: The contract could have defeated when CA was not ducked, take the HA and and underlead the Q, diamond swith will romote a trum trick cenglund: missed the chance for a to score kaao: ebsite will soon have results after today: htt://bridgefinland.fi/sm/ari0/index.h? lang= Board 1 : - : 1 - o 0 c 1 0 1 0 K K Q J A J A K K Q AQ J Q J A - - : Karhulahti : Laakso Closed : Kanerva : Pekkinen 1 X 1 #1 ::,A,, # ::,,K, # ::,,Q,K # :: K,,,A # ::,A,, # ::,,A, # ::,J, T, # :: Q,T,J, # ::,,, # :: Q,J,, kaao: Vika jako meneillˆ ˆ n. Kiitokset oeraattorille ja valokuvaajalle Pauli iemiselle..1!....1!..... A.......... K........ Q.. K emalka: nyt v jˆ rjesti uolustukselle kueja.. K...... A.... A kaao: Ja Mikolle, eolle, ikille ja rkille sek ˆ Lealle kommenteista........ miniemin: Kiitos itsellesi ja kaikille kˆ rsivˆ llisyydestˆ.. A.. kaao: Kisa jatkuu aamulla kello talviaikaa.... J.. T.... Q.. T.. J kaao: xtratunti leoaikaa elaajille (ja kommentaattoreille ja oeraattoreille) siis............ Q.. J.. vugrahztq: kiitos ja huomenna jatketaan.. - 0 -