Finnish Team Trials(Round of 1) Finnish Team Trials(Round of 1) Pair A vs Pair B Pair A Pair B Pair B Pair A uppula Mˆ kelˆ undsten alomaa lsinen Tuomi Uskali Viitasalo Board Contract By M D - - Contract By M D - - IMPs 1 0 0-1 1 0 0 - - 1 0 0-1 1 3 3 10 1 3 10-0 3 110 3 10 1-1 IMPs Pair A Pair B This segment 1 Penalty 0 0 Carryover 0 0 total 1-1 - References: BridgeBase online. dited by M.ugino
Finnish Team Trials(Round of 1) Board 1 : Pair A - 0 : Pair B 1 1 o 0 c 0 1 0 K 3 K 3 A10 Q J Q10 A A10 K AK - 11 3 3-11 10 Q J Q J 3 J 3 : uppula : Tuomi Open : Mˆ kelˆ : lsinen p p p 1 p p p #1 ::,,J,A # :: A,3,, #3 ::,K,,T # :: A,,3, # :: T,,,K # ::,,, 10 kaapo: Last boards before the lunch break...... T..p..p..p kaapo: All ladies here, Taru uppula - Tiina lsinen and Anni Mˆ kelˆ - Raija Tuomi..1......p..p..p.. kaapo: I might not have the courage to overcall vugraphzvd: PH? kaapo: As you can see, play -card majors runnerup: tais tarun tehdˆ mieli avata 3 ristiˆ, mutta ei kehdannut kun oli pata sivussa ja oli tyytyvˆ inen kun partneri avasi padalla kaapo: Being a passed hand does not mean you can t go for a telephone number :).... J.. A.. A.. 3........ K.... T Board 1 : Pair B 1 1 : Pair A - 0 o 0 c 0 1 0 K 3 K 3 A10 Q J Q10 A A10 K AK - 11 3 3-11 10 Q J Q J 3 J 3 10 : undsten : Viitasalo Closed : alomaa : Uskali 1 p X p p p p #1 :: Q,A,3, # ::,3,Q, #3 ::,T,A, # :: A,,,3 # :: K, K,,J # ::,,, alddk: Good evening everyone and welcome back to alsomaggiore.. A.... 3.... T...... K.. peachy: elcome everybody oleberg: I migth not bid it immidiately, but I would never settle for less rnmalik: Hello all and welcome. tomi: nice to see players from all over urope participating in this event, didn t know this..1! alddk: This is round of in the Italian Mixed Teams Championships..p alddk: Our operator is Daniela alddk: Your commentators Raija Davis and Peter Lund pelu: hi all peachy: Hello Roland, Peter, and Daniela.... pelu: 3 HCP and suits with tricks - only o..p....p..p..p zebutin: idˆ ltˆ erikoinen valinta kahdentaa - -
Finnish Team Trials(Round of 1), omasta fitistˆ ei ole tietoa, eikˆ nˆ ytˆ mitenkˆ ˆ n todennˆ kˆ iseltˆ ettˆ peli menisi pietiin tomi: is this Cecilia or andra playing in the OR?.. Q jni33: pˆ ƒndende pas fra her - ville alle melde dˆ 't? zebutin: Viimeinen kierros ennen ruokataukoa zebutin: Viitasalo & alomaa pelaavat Bart impson Clubia, jossa avaus lˆ ytyy suhteellisen helposti pelu: problem is to stay out of T.. A zebutin: jaossa taas slammi kohtuullisen hyvˆ sitoumus on, ja siihen pitˆ isikin pˆ ˆ stˆ zebutin: Koistinen - yberg edelleen magid diamond vahvaruutu systeemiˆ pelaavat alddk: Cecilia.. 3 zebutin: pass nˆ yttˆ ˆ luonnollisemmalta.. rnmalik: Very thin opening by and to a unmakeable contract... alddk: elcome back everyone alddk: and good morning to David Carlisle pelu: 3 close to make - also play for 3.. 3 kaapo: Ilmeisesti tˆ mˆ jako on pelattu jo ajat sitten oikeasti, ja Pinha on taas kynˆ n ja paperin kanssa tallentanut jaon :) zebutin: undsten-uskali parivaljakon systeemist ˆ en osaa sanoa oleberg: Pˆƒnt goddag.. Q kaapo: *Pinja.. peachy: outh made a disciplined pass, she already bid her whole hand with.. rnmalik: Good Morning David... T.. A.. garnetts: good morning all.. A zebutin: Koistinen-yberg pelaavat magic diamond vahvaruutu systeemiˆ alddk: Good afternoon to Rashed abi Malik...... 3 zebutin: hyvˆ lˆ htˆ koistiselta, ensimmˆ isen tikin vieminen jˆ nnitystˆ peliin tuo, ja sen jˆ lkeen maksimimˆ ˆ rˆ tikkejˆ ristinki oikein arvaamalla nˆ yttˆ isi olevan zebutin: 10jakoa ennen ruokataukoa, joten tˆ m ˆ + seuraava kierros tomi: Bocchi and Auken played together in last year s uropeam Championships in an Remo, I was allowed to play my first boards in that event against them. They did not have too many... K tomi: agreements and not even a convention card, maybe that has changed since then zebutin: Tuomi-Mˆ kelˆ edelleen luonnollista k ylˆ vˆ reillˆ pelu: but -1 will be hard to overcom - and there are also a -ruff.. K rnmalik: Thanks..... J zebutin: hyvin tarjottu tˆ mˆ kin jako rkkilˆ - Ahoselta.... - 3 -
Finnish Team Trials(Round of 1) Board 1 : Pair A - 0 : Pair B - 1 o 0 c 0 1 0 A K AK 3 AQ 10 K Q J10 K 3 J Q A Q J10 10 3 J 3 : uppula : Tuomi Open : Mˆ kelˆ : lsinen p p 1 3 p p p p #1 ::,,T, # :: K,,,A #3 :: Q,K,A, # ::,,J,3 # :: 3,,K,A # ::,,J, 3 10 kaapo: Perhpas Tuomi could ve tried to reach partner by playing a vugraphzvd: i think Tuomi overcall almost every maximum when Passed Hand runnerup: hearts with minimum point now..p..p kaapo: Another -card opening maybe? kaapo: And another on a weak suit - V and with good overall strength now though..1......3 runnerup: well nobody stops her -well decision..p....p..p..p.... Board 1 : Pair B - 1 : Pair A - 0 o 0 c 0 1 0 A K AK 3 AQ 10 K Q J10 K 3 J Q A Q J10 10 3 J 3 3 10 : undsten : Viitasalo Closed : alomaa : Uskali p p! 1 p p p #1 ::,,T, # :: Q,,3,A #3 :: Q,3,, # :: J,K,A, # :: A,,3, rnmalik: at this vul position, costly contract... T.... K...... A.. Q.. K.. A........ J.. 3.. 3.... K.. A...... J.. alddk: - wife/husband alddk: Dorthe and Peter tomi: they used to play natural against me then but they can have worked on a system, one spec believes they play some kind of strong club..p..p!..1 pelu: Aakirkeby is from the smalest distrikt. Bornholm - and Ravenkilde from Vejle in Jutland.. tomi: Bocchi has no a natural and a strong 1 opener :).. alddk: Fine grand slam in spades; you just need to cash the right honour first peachy: If sacrifice in a minor, they might be sweetly surprised to make, just takes correct club guess pelu: on the right viuw in - and only a - - -
Finnish Team Trials(Round of 1) ruff can defeat alddk: That s a guess....p alddk: But a clue will be that you won t get a trump lead alddk: so you have to figure out why tomi: either leader has 3 spades with the queen or no spade at all? :)= alddk: yep alddk: so a pure guess as I said zebutin: Magic diamondissa tarjoukset&tarjouksien vahvuus vaihtelee 1& ja 3& kˆ sien mukaan peachy: of course, sacrifice in these colors is seldom a good idea..p..p.. k ylinen: pata, ruutua menee zebutin: hyvˆ llˆ arvaamisella tikkejˆ voi tulla todella paljon.. garnetts: Is 1 enough? 1 likely to be forcing.. T zebutin: ja vˆ hˆ n huonommallakin reilusti yli pelu: sorry Ravnkilde from north Jutland.. momad: ru kan vinde garnetts: Certainly 1 shows plus values unless playing equal conversion garnetts: However this should make zebutin: tˆ ssˆ kˆ ˆ n jaossa ei kauheasti jˆ nnitystˆ lopputuloksen suhteen ole rnmalik: imo shows values of more then an opening hand + length of suit... Q momad: Det ligner en 13 er til Rˆ dovre.. athene: hi good afternoon everyone.. 3.. A alddk: T is perhaps better, sometimes you can make it even if you misguess spades garnetts: a heart lead would have scared ast-- would he dare play a club to the K pelu: would u all bid only 1 time in? many would bid T over = + and card.. Q peachy: I would not jump vugraphztg: have showed 1-1T, have showed GF with in major alddk: I think they will get to.. 3 pelu: outside Hobro vugraphztg: http://www.bridge.dk/000/klub/ Turneringer/Resultat1.html for results from round 10 vugraphztg:... and http://www.bridge.dk/000/ Klub/Turneringer/KampResultat1.html for standings zebutin: ybergiltˆ agressiivinen donkki, jonka tekemistˆ saattaa katua vugraphztg: This is no and 3. Only VP between the two teams.. zebutin: Tervetuloa seuraamaan suomen PMkisoihin karsintaa, avoimessa ja naisten luokassa. Tˆ ssˆ huoneessa kommentointia suomeksi ja avoimessa englanniksi (kai) alddk: or not.. athene: asks for the Q, and says she has it but no other king? alddk: It s a grand slam we all want to be in athene: i guess she thinks already showed her K so she doesn t want to bid there garnetts: ell you need a foricing bid after a takeout double and it is practical to play jumps as one round forces reserving the cue bid to strong support.. J zebutin: hertassa renonssia vasten maski, joten ristimenevˆ nkin saa halutessaan pois, joten peli nˆ yttˆ isi menevˆ n tasan kotiin, tai ylitikillˆ momad: ell bid by Jensen. He is fast and not afraid of anything.. K zebutin: Mahdollisesti suomeksi molemmissa/ miten vain alddk: If asks for trump queen which I think it does, what would be then?.. A.... A garnetts: But there may well be other methods but agreement is as ever required.... 3 rnmalik: agree. garnetts: looks like a claim coming rnmalik: minimum on the table. zebutin: yberg ei tahdo antaa yhteyttˆ pˆ yt ˆ ˆ n J:lle, nyt kuitenkin maski on turvallinen, jos Q vie, pˆ ˆ see viimeisen ruudun aina kuppaamaan J:llˆ tomi: this board can cause a swing that you cant repair in lots of other boards by playing well. and this is just "luck" if oth other table plays and wins / fails... - -
Finnish Team Trials(Round of 1) Board 1 : Pair A - 0 : Pair B 1 o 0 c 0 1 0 Q J J10 AK 10 Q J10 K K Q 3 AK 11-10 Q 3 A J 3 A10 3 : uppula : Tuomi Open : Mˆ kelˆ : lsinen 1 p p 3 p p p p #1 ::,,T,Q # ::,A,K, #3 :: A,3,, # ::,3, T, # ::,,K,3 # :: A,,J, # ::,3,K, # :: K,,, # :: Q,J, T, T #10 :: A,,, Q runnerup: perhaps not the best way to declare - but made it anyway kaapo: outh may have some slam thoughts..1....p....p..3..p....p kaapo: In that regard 3 looks quite weak though, I don t think it s forcing..p..p runnerup: dont think 3 spades was even forcing kaapo: more boards and then we ll have a lunch break...... T.. Q.... A.. K.... A.. 3........ 3.. T........ K.. 3.. A.... J...... 3.. K.... K Board 1 : Pair B 1 : Pair A - 0 o 0 c 0 1 0 Q J J10 AK 10 Q J10 K K Q 3 AK 11-10 Q 3 A J 3 A10 3 : undsten : Viitasalo Closed : alomaa : Uskali 1 p 1 p p p p #1 :: A,3,, # ::,3,J, #3 ::,, A, # :: K,Q,T, # ::,,, J # :: Q,3,, zebutin: Ahonen&rkkilˆ taitavat pelata kirppuristiˆ, Mˆ kelˆ &Tuomi luonnollisempaa kortin ylˆ vˆ reillˆ........ Q.. J.. T.. T.. A...... Q zebutin: Hyvin vedetty kuitenkin lisˆ tikkien mahdollisuudet silmissˆ kiiluen k ylinen: alomaa Viitasalolla on aika aggressiivinen tarjoussysteemi, avataan + pisteellˆ momad: ot many imps at stake here..1! zebutin: 1 1-1nt tai 1-1 epˆ tasainen, ei kerro vˆ reistˆ zebutin: nˆ yttˆ isi olevan jotain peliˆ, jos siihen asti saa kivuttua zebutin: 1 avaus lupasi 1+ pistettˆ..p vugraphztg: looks fine..p..1 zebutin: jaossa suhteellisen helppo slammi on tarjottavissa, joten katsotaan miten vahvaristi tˆ stˆ selviytyy pelu: pass from Franco?..p zebutin: 1 joko 0-pistettˆ tai tˆ yspelivaatimus, p - -
Finnish Team Trials(Round of 1) ei kerro sekˆ ˆ n vˆ reistˆ alddk: Can they control this auction now I wonder.. alddk: A count opening peachy: outh s duty is to bid H, pelu: pass and = one-man-show :) alddk: Can be difficult to stop abine..p..p peachy: there is no Forcing Pass in this sort of auction when the H was not bid constructively. zebutin: Vaarassa- vaaratonta vastaan melkorohkeaa estˆ mistˆ zebutin: monien mielestˆ 1 avaus on magic diamond systeemin heikoin lenkki, vastuksien tarjotessa vˆ liin, vˆ rejˆ ˆ n voi olla todella hankala kertoa, joten hyvˆ t fitit voi olla lˆ ytymˆ ttˆ..p zebutin: ilmeisesti kipuaminen ei tuottanut vaikeuksia rnmalik: can make but may find difficult to bid... A zebutin: toisessa pˆ ydˆ ssˆ ilmeisesti on tarjoussarja epˆ onnistunut ihan tˆ ysin, ja on pelattu slammin sijasta 3nt sitoumusta, joka oikealla lˆ hdˆ llˆ pariin pietiin menisi zebutin: x taitaa kieltˆ ˆ lˆ hdˆ n padassa/ kieltˆ ˆ ison kuvan padassa.. 3.. pelu: -lead to defeat - and that sh be a notmal lead from ast - u cant exp a -trick here.. garnetts: very friendly cards for declarer here zebutin: ilmeisesti nytkin Koistinen olettaa k pataa, eikˆ kortin + k alavˆ riˆ peachy: In fact, the current trend (according to some articles from experts lately) is to have Forciong Pass "On" only *hen the caddy knows it is forcing*.. zebutin: jos oli cue, rdbl kertoisi ensimmˆ isen asteen kontrollista, joko ˆ ssˆ tai renonssi alddk: Club!A will beat it right away of course.. 3.. J tomi: i would also play my partner for having a king or an ace outside the spades for th opening alddk: o chance as I see it zebutin: Koistisen 1nt taisi 1-1 luvata, k padalla avaaminen vaikuttaisi normaalilta, mutta 1 lupaisi -11 pistettˆ garnetts: ot that good a contract and on a bad day 3 fails.. zebutin: joten joutuisi aloittamaan sarjan 1 :llˆ, joka on suhteellisen vaarallinen vastuksien vˆ litarjouksille.. athene: he will ruff a diamond perhaps.. athene: play for Qxx alddk: that would just be one hurdle alddk: Then he would also have to guess J pelu: I dont like the bid - why not 3 - ast will normal have a card - and after support he will go after 3T oleberg: On a heart lead, which was found in CR, there are not wall-to-wall tricks zebutin: ahkerasta ehkˆ isemisestˆ huolimatta, hyvˆ ˆ n sitoumukseen laskeutuminen. Hyvin tarjottu.. A rnmalik: That is true..... K.. Q zebutin: undstenilta hyvˆ pikkupata, kˆ ytˆ nnˆ ssˆ varmistaen sitoumuksen vugraphztg: :).. T.. athene: ok, lots down now.. rnmalik: But friendly placement of cards:)...... J.. Q zebutin: pelinvienti tuskin kauhean kauan vie - -
Finnish Team Trials(Round of 1) Board 1 : Pair A - 0 : Pair B o 3-3 10 c 1 3 10 1 110 J10 K K 3 K A J 3 J J10 K Q3 A AQ10 Q10 AQ 3 : uppula : Tuomi Open : Mˆ kelˆ : lsinen 1 p 1 p 3 p 3 p p p runnerup: good lead kaapo: was led, because they have 3rd/th leads.... K.. 3.. runnerup: yes early shift beats also but easyer now...... A.. 3.... A.... J.... kaapo: ice def for -3 :)...... 3.. A.. 3.. Q.. K...... K.. runnerup: very brave........ T #1 ::,,K,3 # ::,,,A #3 :: 3,,A, # :: J,,, # ::, 3, A,3 # :: Q,K,, # :: K,,, # ::,T,Q, # :: Q,,,J #10 :: T,,, #11 :: A, T,, #1 ::,,, kaapo: Restart will be in one hour from now.. 3.... runnerup: 3nt -with point vugraphzvd:? runnerup: fails because diamond finess not on..1..p..1..p vugraphzvd: biddable if jumps now kaapo: Reasonable chance for 3T, yes k ylinen: needs Heart lead? runnerup: y without heart lead makes anyeay..3..p vugraphzvd: lead with switch will be enough too kaapo: Anni is quite likely to lead a heart..3..p..p..p kaapo: orth s 1T implies clubs, so leading one is not very attractive.. - -
Finnish Team Trials(Round of 1) Board 1 : Pair B : Pair A - 0 o 3-3 10 c 1 3 10 1 110 J10 K K 3 K A J 3 J J10 K Q3 A AQ10 Q10 AQ 3 : undsten : Viitasalo Closed : alomaa : Uskali 1 p p p #1 :: J,A,,3 # :: J,,,K #3 ::,,,K # ::,,, # ::, 3, A,3 # :: Q,,, # :: T,,3, # ::, T,, # :: Q,,,T #10 :: A,,J,Q alddk: Two decisions that could prove costly.. Q.... Q...... J.. T........ A.. T...... tomi: aren t we connected to the other room? alddk: e shall see soon when the hands are played in the other room zebutin: puolustus tikin tai pari nukahti alddk: we are, but they started 10 mins after us..1 peachy: it also sounded like was not afraid of diamonds momad: I guess the close room result is likely to be copied..p..p zebutin: jˆ lleen 1+ pistettˆ vahvaristi auki zebutin: 1 avaus 1-1 epˆ tasainen, ei kerro vˆ reistˆ mitˆ ˆ n zebutin: myˆ s yberg olisi voinut pelata paremmin, heitˆ ˆ mˆ llˆ J:n K:n alle, saaden yhteyden pelata ristiˆ kohti J:ˆ ˆ..p rnmalik: another partial... J zebutin: sitoumuksessa tuskin kauheasti eroa syntyy, jos rkkilˆ -Ahonen kilpailevat 3 asti, voi donkillla Tuomi-Mˆ kelˆ saada muutaman pisteen athene: i assume 3 showed values so south should be moving here.. A.. alddk: Anyone prefer T rather than double? athene: nt gets your hand across so you aren t going to miss a game if it s there, but double might be a bit safer i suppose.. 3 alddk: They are still on board 1 in the other room.. J...... K alddk: o the slam decisions on and 3 must wait a little tomi: doubleton queen of clubs onside, this deal will not be misguessed :) pelu: in Open Rivera bid - and let opp play garnetts: much prefer T to the initial double or the raise pelu: K and duck a (in 1t) in 3T u need s -...... momad: I was wrong athene: i guess you take the club finesse and then if east turns up with Qxxx so you can t run them, you just need to bring in spade tricks.. K momad: THis might be a winner.. oleberg: It will take accurate defence to beat it athene: so you finesse against the nine.... momad: shows spades with H momad: A big position by oleberg: est has to discourage hearts, but cannot spare the garnetts: west obviously expects something different to what he has just seen in dummy.. zebutin: Tuomelta hyvin pelattu ruutu maski, QJ duppeli on suhteellisen epˆ todennˆ kˆ inen kombinaatio, joten parempi pelata niin, ettei Koistinen pˆ ˆ se kiinni lyˆ mˆ ˆ n pataa lˆ pi.. oleberg: The way to defeat it would have been to switch, wait for west to get in with the A, and then lead the J to scoop dummys 10.. 3.. A.. 3.. Q.... oleberg: But that wouldn t work, if west had discouraged with the, as declarers would then be high.... T.... 3 pelu: a better game - if s - make with J in (max 3).. oleberg: But perhaps he should have done it - -
Finnish Team Trials(Round of 1) anyway, playing partner for the momad: Martin chaltz says you should play standard attitude (lav = AFVIIG) when there are two or three small in dummy..... T.. oleberg: ounds interesting athene: he can t be all that helpful that the defence will let him build a spade trick, but it doesn t hurt to try.... Q athene: i assume he actually cashed the last club there.... athene: ah she sorry oleberg: Both vs suit and T?.. T.. A momad: yes.... J momad: If partner pulls the ace from ace-king, it coud be expensive dropping J from J10.. Q Board 0 : Pair A 1 1 : Pair B - o 3 110 c 3 10 0 10 10 10 10 10 3 K J AK Q J Q Q 3 K J 3 A 3 A AK Q J : uppula : Tuomi Open : Mˆ kelˆ : lsinen p 1 X p p p p #1 :: A,,3, # :: K,,,T #3 ::,A,3, # :: K,,, # :: A,,3, # :: Q,,, # :: A,,,J # ::,Q,T,K kaapo: ell, west needed one more trick somewhere, s weren t enough kaapo: 1T?..p kaapo: It is a balanced distribution after all :)..1.. kaapo: I think play Cappelletti or some such as a defence against T kaapo: o double is for penalties..p.. runnerup: battle where 3 spades is high kaapo: A little odd outh sells out for..p..p..p.. A.. kaapo: Last board of our morning set.. 3.... K kaapo: Break for lunch now. Restart is at 1:0 local time...... T.... A.. 3.... K.... kaapo: 0 minutes from now.... A.... 3.... Q.... kaapo: Tuloksia http://www.bridgefinland.fi/ trials/010/.... A...... J.... Q.. - 10 -
Finnish Team Trials(Round of 1) T.. K runnerup: i didnt say club king was wrong -it was right and well thougt and H maded it easyer to her partner Board 0 : Pair B - : Pair A 1 1 o 3 110 c 3 10 0 10 10 10 10 10 3 K J AK Q J Q Q 3 K J 3 A 3 A AK Q J : undsten : Viitasalo Closed : alomaa : Uskali p 1 1 p p X p p p p #1 ::,,Q, # ::,A,,3 #3 :: A,,,J # ::,Q,,K peachy: xcuse m, it is IMPs!!!!! pelu: rimelig klubspiller - men heller ikke mere oleberg: But also from J10 oleberg: But less likely zebutin: Ahonen ei kuitenkaan laskenut pelinviej ˆ n valtteja, joten lopussa puolustus tikin verran kompuroi zebutin: vastinpˆ ydˆ ssˆ on oltu optimistisempia tarjoussarjassa, ja suhteellisen epˆ toivoiseen peliin laskeuduttu athene: abine has said in print that she likes bidding over 1 and over 1 as it can be very hard for opps to sort out major-suit fits and stoppers for notrumps..p..1..1.. athene: i guess the same applies for over 1 oleberg: How about J10 zebutin: normaalin oloinen sitoumus, ja lˆ hdˆ stˆ riippuen joko 10 tai 11 tikkiˆ zebutin: osasitoumus taistelua, patavˆ ri taitaa t ˆ ssˆ kin pˆ ydˆ ssˆ voiton viedˆ..p momad: Good result for ord in closed room..p - 11 -
Finnish Team Trials(Round of 1) kaapo: Huomenta epollekin :) zebutin: korjaan arvaustani, 3 tuntuu melko rivakalta....p zebutin: huomenta vaan kaapo: Maksimit systeemissˆ athene: it s sensible to be able to bid clubs naturally over a short club, i think - you just use as michaels or whatever....p oleberg: Jeg mente du..p..p.. tomi: non forcing free bids would have allowed south to bid here and let her partner decide to bid on 3 level.. athene: i suppose there has to be a good hand for negative free bids every so often momad: 3 diamonds cashing and 1 spade loser zebutin: vˆ ri on kyllˆ hyvˆ, mutta muuten kortit ovat kyllˆ melko aneemiset, 3 jˆ tkˆ ˆ ei varsinaisesti arvoa lisˆ ˆ kˆ teen tuo.. Q.. pelu: can make? - 3t makes easy.. pelu: I exp Franco to make :) garnetts: I admit I would not have looked beyond the J for a lead athene: if you wanted to get cute here you would play transfers ( = hearts, = spades, = diamonds).. A rnmalik: play of vital importance. athene: then you have the advantage of forcing AD non-forcing bids by responder.. tomi: this is right.. 3.. A.... athene: but that s something for regular partnerships only i would say.. J peachy: this lead helps him, but nothing wrong with lead.... Q garnetts: cash and throw in now.. - 1 -